Cold Rain & Snow-> Down In The Bottom-> I Ain't Superstitous, Stagger Lee, Mama Tried-> Mexicali Blues, Bird Song-> Looks Like Rain, Day Job Women Are Smarter-> Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad-> Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Truckin'-> Black Peter-> Around & Around-> Sugar Magnolia, E: It's All Over Now Baby Blue
Master Soundboard Cassette > DAT > CDR; via Jack Straw; Seeded to etree by steve barbella
March 2, 2017 Subject:
If you were at this show and Goin' Down the Road gets played right after Man Smart (Woman Smarter) do you think that maybe you drifeted off and missed most of the second set?
March 23, 2015 Subject:
What's in a name?
Regardless of what track 2 is called, the transition out of CR&S is noteworthy.
September 20, 2011 Subject:
For what it's worth
For you ed watts fans out there - this show plays an important role in his book, U.S. Blues (it's the show where the murder happens)
November 16, 2010 Subject:
Pretty average shows - rained pretty bad the first night and kinda got us down, second night was dry but totally unremarkable. The next two nights at Riverbend and Blossom were much better.
July 14, 2010 Subject:
A Tale of Two Sets
This is a really strange show from June '85 mostly notably because of the disparity in quality between the two sets. Set 1 is a bit if a clunker with very few highlights and the Day Job set closer is missing(not a big loss really). The second set on the other hand is of very high quality.
The first set starts with a nice Cold Rain and Snow which is energetic and fun. After that things slip downhill fast until the Looks Like Rain. The Superstitious/Down in the Bottom combo is lackluster and almost completely breaks down in the middle. Stagger Lee is plodding and uninteresting with croaky vocals. A false start to MamaTried continues the bad trend hut it does segue into a nice yet brief Mexicali. Bird Song is one of my favorite tunes but here it is really sloppy with poor vocals/harmonizing and the jam doesn't really go anywhere. Brent is using some odd midi affect that is very distracting. Jerry's playing is excellent but the contrast of Brent is disastrous. Looks Like Rain is the best played song in the set with passionate ranting by bobby. "I can't take no more fuckin' rain today!" Day Job is missing, they can keep it.
Set 2 is stunning well played considering how poor the first set was. Man Smart, Woman Smarter is energetic and a fun way to get things going. Out of it's ashes a rollicking Goin' Down the Road erupts with blazing leads by Garcia. Odd placement for this song but it keeps the energetic vibe going. Estimated>Eyes finishes the pre drums jam both of which have excellent group improvisation and awesome Garcia solos. There are some beautiful moments in the transition from Space into a well played Truckin'. Ferocious strumming at the final crescendo. This leads into a soulful Black Peter with surprisingly good vocals for the era. Around and Around is next but it really falls flat. An rousing Sugar Mags closes a great set.
The first set is brutal and the sound quality isn't that great so this gets a 3/3.5
May 12, 2010 Subject:
Educating the Newbies...
Im glad to do it. It should have been called "Meet Me at the Bottom". Technically these are two separate songs. Those of us who were touring '84-'85 called it simply Ain't Superstitious on tapes. It should never be split intot two tracks, that is beyond idiotic.
Deadbase is great but has some mistakes for sure, as most of us old time third-generation Heads know. And our generation - basically the 15th annoiversary / 1980 group after the post 74/terrapin / shakedown group (2nd gen) and the original group from the ballrooms and winterland pre-'74 (1st gen) - we were the last good generation befopre the Touch heads invaded.
Alpine '87 one of the "big boys" when it comes to est>eyes? Please. I could walk into the music room with my eyes closed and pick any pre-'80 version that would make that look silly, like most '87 shows were. Although I did enjoy Roanoke thoroughly, the night they did scarlet>fire. the foirst night had a gtood dew rescuew the show, before then it was pretty lame. And the Pittsburgh Shaledown was real good, not '85 level like Merriweather or Nassau or Philly or Red Rocks but still real good.
I agree completely with the reviewer below talking about how Alpine "breathed". I saw that whole suymmmer your, most of '84, all of '86. So I have been to a lot of 'sheds", ano nothing sounds liek Alpine. One of my favorite all-time venues and I felt real lucky to experience it when it was truly "alpoine". '86 was when sthing sstarted sliding, too many people, way overcrowded, the special atmoshpere was gone. Things got worse every year, I never went after '86 (I saw '84, '85 and '86 at Alpine) but I heard some dishearenting reports, which pretty much were scene-wise, the whole scene was crumbling from the tiouch heads, too much popularity, nitrous in the lots, all that garbage. By '89 I heard ALpine was real bad, like going to see Springsteen one reviewer wrote, just another concert. Sad but true.
This Brid SOng was majestic on the lawn in the beautiful June evening. Hard to belive that was 25 years ago. Stream this and the whole tour immediately. The next night was better. This whole tour was fantastic, the 20th anniversary year they had alot of fun and the summer was when things kicked into high gear night after night. Then the Dylan / Petty stadium tour in '86, the coma, and things were never the same again, expeditied by the Touch Head era. What a ride while it lasted though.
June 15, 2007 Subject:
1st Alpine Valley tape
This was the 1st tape I got of any Alpine Valley show, and it was only 2nd set. It was more than likely my 1st '85 show on tape---either this or Hershey Park, I'm not sure. I've not heard it in probably close to 15 years though. I remember the night we found out that Brent had died, and I put this in just for the Black Peter as a tribute.
Unfortunately this was before my being "old enough" to go to shows. I was a little skate-punk @ the time listening to the Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, The Circle Jerks, Naked Raygun, etc. LSD & Pink Floyd came a year or so later, then a friend went to military school & came back with a tape saying "you'll like all the spacey stuff on here." I do not recall the year, venue, songs, etc, but things started to change as far as my musical library was concerned.
Anyway, this is a fine recording of a fine performance---it is from 1985 dontcha know...
April 2, 2007 Subject:
i was at this run--and i agree that alpine had odd sonic properties that were apart from my dosed state.weir steps up to the plate here as he and phil often did the last 10 years on nights when jerry was flagging a bit.love these 85 looks like rains--not really a great song but the shifting dynamics were very dramatic during this period and the band/healy often tossed the sound around alot. bird song and estimated are hip with sort of a pre-midi texture thing? guess that's what i'm hearing.wild place in 1985.
April 23, 2006 Subject:
Bobby Fans Unite!
Song selection ok, but incredibly played! For those of you Bobby fans out there who " can't hear Bob's guitar that well", you can learn a lot from this show about where Bobby likes to be on these tunes- great sound!
Highlights were early in the show with a killer Bird Song>LL Rain. So mid-80's Dead, a combo like this. Unfortunately, all they could do to close the set after that is a Day Job- also very mid-80's Dead :(
This soundboard does'nt do justice to what is sounded like live at Alpine Valley, How the music breathed,the poly rhythms and syncopation in addition to the depth and echoe that make Alpine shows sound like they do. This Estimated-Eyes is right up there with the big boys..Frost 82,Nassau 90 and Alpine 87. We need some aud's of these shows. Ogie..Can you help? 3 for quality 5 for performance. Vintage Grateful Dead for the 2nd set.
September 2, 2005 Subject:
Whoever thought Day Job would be missed? (Read the first review) If that reviewer ever reads this, my advice is to sub in any other clean version of Day Job and believe me, you'll never know the difference
Energetic show, but muffled sound. Not recommended for headphone listening.
June 30, 2005 Subject:
Nice Slice of '85
Man, this is the first show I have downloaded from '85 ... actually, might be the first one past Sept of 1980. But I am definitely going to grab the rest of the Summer of 1985, because this show is SMOKING! My eyes are open to GD past '80 for the first time ... and not the last. Great opener of CR&S, Women Smarter was wonderous, and the Drums was beatastic. Only problem I have is that the songs after Space seem to me mislabled. Anyway, five stars!
April 29, 2005 Subject:
Down to the bottom???
What's with the song Ain't Superstitious being split into two tracks and the first track (most of the song) being called Down To The Bottom??? Is that a joke?
Really really rippin' show.
Too bad that song is split in to two tracks and the split is right at the end of the solo.
November 10, 2004 Subject:
I'm not sure I'm understanding the wishy-washy nature of the reviews we've seen heretofore...I was at this show and it was incredibly powerful; both in terms of the music (Bobby was absolutely on fire & The Estimated Prophet Ripped through the evening air like rainbow tendrils) and the crowd...Just a brilliant scene...One of the last shows before the touch heads took over...
June 13, 2004 Subject:
I was at this show and had a great time. Although it is not one of the "classic" shows from '85, it is very good, full of energy and evenly played. A delight...
May 2, 2004 Subject:
Where's Day Job?